Like you told me once Szaxx, we don't
always get the experience we expect, but sometimes a related experience
we may need (or someone else may need, in this case). Nice work.

Europa versus Europe...an interesting twist...like mine, your Guides have an interesting sense of the ironic.

Was there something under the ice of Europa you were looking for?

I could also mention the gravel drive, but that was maybe more a humorous reminder for me, I somehow think...funny guys... :-D

Mincing words again lol.
It seems
every time I've tried this trip it ends in a retrieval. Short and
interesting, it keeps the general theme of difficult communications
operating. It was very easy this time.
Europa is one moon I've been
interested in for a while. The ice will be quite thick and something
beneath is maintaining a magnetic field that's not the core. It has to
be conductive. I'm not too sure if its ion based or ferro-metal based.
Its most likely ionic, too many pointers push this direction. As for
life, it's possible, one question I have is, how much life is there in
our dead sea?
I'm not sure if a visit was made in '69.
I traveled everywhere, sound is a clue, something noisy keeps coming back like a hint of a reminder.
Maybe I'll get my chance and beat the probe they're sending. Hot news if I'm successful, going off Saturn's ring system.

 Last night I listened to William Bulman's most recent seminar found here.
 In
it he spoke of the Monroe Lifeline Program. The lifeline Program has to
do with Robert Monroe's Focus 23, where people go to help souls that
are stuck. I don't have the funds or the time right now to go to for the
5 day/6 night Lifeline program, but have always been open to be a
"Invisible Helper". This is a term that was penned by an incredible lady
named Annie Bessant. You can find out more about her and her research
in this fantastic video by Kurt Leland.
. So, I wanted to create my
own technique to achieve my goal. Here's a quick rundown of the Focus
levels for anyone that wants to know more about them:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focus_level

 I have 3 goals that I
have always strived to achieve in my practice of non physical/other
realm exploration. I say other realm because I find many areas of the
Astral that are just as physical as this one.
 Goal #1 is to be an Invisible Helper to any Humans or entities that may need assistance in this realm or any others.
 Goal #2 is to learn how to heal myself, so that I can take that teaching and heal others in need
 Goal #3 is to remember what I once knew and unlock my full potential

 It
has been a while now since I have had a full on, with total recall
actual Retrieval. I have had experiences whereas I was aiding someone,
but then I "clicked out" and lost my awareness on what was occurring. In
other words I didn't consciously see it through. Other times I would be
right in the middle of a Retrieval and then I would get distracted and
it would be gone.

 Last night I laid down to relax. I felt the
feeling of depth coming on, so I decided to try and find this Focus 23
area. I am sure that because of the thousands and more people that have
focused on this area, that there had to be a "real"/actual Focus 23 zone
somewhere in the Astral. So I began creating Doorways as I do in this
practice here:
www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/the_doorway-t46013.0.html
 
 I
started asking my Doorway questions, but nothing happened. I just kept
noticing the darkness before my eyes. I was about to give up when all of
a sudden I saw a small wooden sign on my right hand side saying "Focus
23 ahead". I then felt movement. I was moving forward. There were other
signs along the way similar to the first one that were stating that I
was on the right path. Then I came to a wooden door with a glass window.
It looked like to regular office door. On the glass was printed in
black lettering "Focus 23". I opened the door and saw a room with
some chairs lined down the side. I then sensed, I can't say heard a
bellowing voice saying "Sit down and someone will be will you shortly".
Like I said, it wasn't an oral voice, it was more inside of my head.
Likely telepathy.

 There was no one else in the room. All the
chairs were empty. It looked like a regular Doctor's office, but with no
magazines, lol. There was though a wall that was solid black and looked
like glass. The only opening in it was the same small opening that you
see in bulletproof glass. Just enough room to get your hand through.

 I
sat there for what seemed like an eternity. I contemplated why I was
there and figured that this waiting had to be some kind of test in
patience. I did feel like my thoughts were being sucked out of my brain
though. It was like I was being drilled on why I wanted to help others.
What my motives for coming here were.

 Finally something
happened. The glass wall disappeared and I was looking at a escalator
that was loaded with people, but they looked more like just the
forms/shapes of people. The escalator was moving upwards. All of a
sudden I saw someone fall off the side. They plummeted to the ground. I
quickly thought myself over to that location and saw that the fallen
soul was a young boy. He had to be about 6 years old. He was in tears
and I went to comfort him. I asked him what his name was, the thought
came back Richard. I then asked him if he knew where he was, the answer
was no. Okay, now I knew I had to do something. But what? I thought
about it for a minute and asked him what his favorite thing to do was.
What he enjoyed, hobby wise. He sent the thought back "boats". I then
asked him how he would like to go on a boat and meet some new friends.
He stopped crying and sent the answer yes to me. A boat immediately
materialized beside us. We got on and the next thing I know we are
docking. That was weird, I don't even recall the trip there. It was like
we were almost instantly there. There just happened to be a kid's
paradise. There was swings, money bars, kids everywhere. The 2 adults
that had docked us told us telepathically to follow them. So we did. We
were walking down a street and came upon a large white building, akin to
a Hospital. I told Richard that he needed to go "check in". Richard
then gave me a hug and went with the 2 adults up the stairs and into the
building.

 I then turned my focus back to my physical body and
smiled. It feels so good inside when you can help others. Not only is
healing for them, but it's healing for myself as well.  

 Thank You for listening!  :-)

The lead up to the assessment area or
room in your case was a nice touch. My way ones were in the void and
progressed to a myriad of locations, a few in the formless environments
rarely travelled in.
That feeling of having your thoughts sucked out
of your brain is the assessment. I found this intrusive method
indescribable and knew what was occurring, it wasn't controllable in any
way. I knew I could have stopped it but then no further experience
would have ensued. Later I found out how to do it without the indivual/s
even knowing I was 'in there'. I have posted this in 'Oily' a group
retrieval of sorts. It's the initial stages of learning how to imprint
info to and from others.
That voice booming inside your head without
a sound takes some getting use to lol. It's telepathy and a method of
communication used in many finer environments, this is also the sole
method in the formless environments.
The percieved location would
have not been threatening in any way, it would have had an authorative
appeal. I'd guess the empty chairs were symbolic of your personal
preference. A room full of individuals may have been challenging or even
discouraging. The long wait while you contemplated your desires
sufficed. The test, passed with flying colours led you to an experience.
The thoughts you had needed to fit in with what the brain drain gave as
some kind of feedback to suitability. I've had this many times, unlike
you though, I had to wait weeks before been sent on a retrieval. Then
many more followed almost nightly.
While you were in your experience,
can you recall absolutely everything about your physical life? I've
often found a great deal of these memories temporarily erased until some
progress has been made in the adventure.
Clever thinking on getting
the young ones thoughts off the fall. I'd also guess this was looping
over and over for him. The boat ride is his need, its irrelevant for you
and typically no recall of the trip exists.
You delivered the boy
into safe hands so he could heal. You also entered the transitional or
hospital zone where many go with issues upon death. I normally deliver
to a white light behind an open doorway with the guide or family of
those being rescued. Most often I put them where they need to be and
phase back. The fuss of gratitude is nice but I'd  rather get on with
another retrieval.
Top marks for being assessed and sent in one go. I hope you get more.

 Thank You for your reply Szaxx. I
agree with everything you said there. I have found telepathy to be the
chosen mode of communication in these areas. I could have quoted
individual parts of what you said here to break them down further, but
instead I decided to just say "I agree" and then I wanted to handle your
question separately.


I didn't try to recall anything. I wanted to keep my focus entirely on
the scene at hand in fear of losing focus again. I find in my LDs though
a lot of my memories have been erased. Many times I just live the
scenario while fully consciously aware of my actions, but never coming
to the realization that my physical body is sleeping peacefully in my
bed. What would you call that a half-way LD, lol? I am Lucid as in
having full awareness of the scenario at hand and am a active
participant in it.

I've done a number of TMI programs,
including Lifeline, and your experience resonates strongly. It seems to
me that you had guidance right there with you whether it was visible or
not given the nature of the way everything fell neatly into place and
suddenly you were docking - which evidently was focus 27. The hospital
and the park being the big giveaway.

I would say in future ones
(which tend to be harder as guidance gives you more of a challenge), you
can always mentally ask guidance what to do and they will assist in
some way. It's clear they took you up to 27 in this one. It might be
worth trying to start off in focus 27 as well when you intend to do a
retrieval. That way when you make the trip to 23 you know how it feels
making it easier to move back to. 27 without guidance. If you do decide
to start in 27 it's also good to have an anchor point. At lifeline you
are encouraged to create a special place so when in 23 you can easily
bring people back up by thinking of your special place( I have a jetty
on a small lake in a forest). Also, I think starting in 27 you are more
like to visually have a guide with you (rather than invisible in the
background) because 27 is a gathering point of such individuals.

Having a choice relies upon the
actual knowledge being present. As you said and as I have found
countless times, this full physical awareness of all memories etc is
rarely present. You're within a scenario and are the personality you
represent ( with extras), in what you automatically deem as the reality
you live in. There are exceptions where your awareness tells you
instantly. These tend towards the tests of your mettle or psychological
limits.
The proposition you're in is always solveable but how you do
this isn't. By successful completion of many of these your challenging
experiences can push you beyond what you thought was your limits.
A
perfect example was my New Jericho large scale retrieval already posted.
I can still recall the initial scene like it was yesterday, there's
many physical world experiences that fail in this level of recall.

I hope you are given more of these challenges, obviously in increasing complexity.
The 
various F levels are interesting in they define a broad spectrum of
similar environments, I still am unsure on the borders of these. The
comment on things progressing in difficulty is so true.
You can't get enough of them lol.

Thank You for your
reply Floriferous. I was hoping you would have read this and had some
helpful tips. A trip to the Monroe Institute some day is still on my
"Bucket List".

 I have seen the white building, aka Hospital in
other Retrievals I have had as well. It's like I always end up there
sooner or later in the process. After a while my Retrievals seemed to
get few and far between. At least the consciously aware ones. I think I
may have still continued, since it's my main goal, undergoing them on a
subconscious level. Starting in Focus 27 and backtracking does seem like
a good idea as well.

 I never really got much into focusing on
Focus Levels in the past. I guess I thought for some reason that there
wasn't actual areas such as these and that we were just creating them
ourselves. But when you have a "real" Retrieval and end up at this Focus
27 location, especially it being what other people say they experience,
(without you knowing ahead of time), you just know that there is
something to this. Once again, seeing is believing.

 I have
always had a "gathering point" in the other realms. It's actually more
of a launching pad I use. It's been my tranquil Island beach retreat,
but I never looked at it as a gathering point for Focus 27 and
Retrievals. That's a handy tip there!  :wink:

 Last year a
Medical condition knocked me out of whack. It made it so just meditating
was a challenge. For a while I just gave up my daily practice and just
relied on my nightly LD for my exploration. But my LDs always led to a
completely different area then my conscious APs were. I see them both as
NP explorations. But they seem to have their own "playgrounds" per say.
It's almost like a completely different plane from one another. But as I
said, they are both considered non physical or "other realm" I like to
say experiences.

Challenges, challenges and even more challenges. The other realms are
full of them, lol. I see it as their method of communicating with us.
What better way to learn something, then seeing and coming to the
realization for yourself.


As I stated above, I used to think these Focus levels were a thing of
myth. Sure I had read Frank Kepple's posts and Robert Monroe's books,
but it seems in the end that's what they concluded as well. But now I
see that because so many people have focused on these individuals levels
that something tangible has been created. My Island retreat is almost a
mirror of the Astral Pulse Island. Of course there's a Pyramid on my as
well. I have always been fascinated by those, as you already know. But I
use this area often as my launching pad or I will just be relaxing,
take a glance around and see something new there that I haven't created.
This leads to my next adventure.

Great thread Lumaza! I want to do this
so bad. I feel like I was made for this. I feel like there is nothing at
all in the Cosmos that I would better at than this. And I could swear,
now that I'm begining to learn some basics about what's going on, I
realize that I've been being prepared for this my entire life,
conditoned for the endurance, quick wit, creativity, patience, and
fearlessness that this job requires. Would, um, the Big Ulitmate Reality
Upstairs mind if I manifest a superhero costume? Or maybe I'll go
totally old school and show up in angel wings. *sigh* decisions,
decisions lol

Thank You Whirlwind!  :-)

 Just remember your intent creates your reality.

 But
I have to give a "lol" to the superhero/angelic wing comment. You
manifest into what they need to see. Many times you are delving into
their own personal hell. They don't even know or realize why they are
stuck. It's your job to find a way to help them "choose" for themselves
that they need to move on. You can't do that for them. They aren't
looking for a Angel or superhero. You can morph into any form you wish,
but normally that form is something that was pertinent to their physical
life in this reality here.

Haha yeah I know, the superhero costume
comment was tongue in cheek :-D I know that this is no "feel good"
field trip or ego fodder event. It just so happens that I like getting
my hands dirty :wink: In physical life I've sucessfully worked with
delusional, intractable, and even hostile individuals, those "hopeless
cases" who most have given up on, so I know that these interpersonal
experiences can at least in part form a foundation of training for the
work to come. Plus, you never know whose belief system entails them
being picked up by a grown man in camel toe tights (fingers crossed) :-P
Ok, now let me stop yaking about it and go practice :roll:

 It sounds like you are primed for the "duty" Now it's on to the next step!  :wink:

 You already have the intent, now comes the practice.

RM, please.....Total bovine
excrement.............there is no stuck souls, and I know for fact lies,
and more lies, and fakers wanting to belong. There is no places, no
people there, anyone says they helped people get to other side are full
of chit. Maybe a dream or something, cause I been to RM and there is
nothing there, but people to scam you out your money............Sorry,
you may be able to obe from teachings, but everything else is total BS,
and I will confront anyone that claims different.

This guy
really pisses me off, he may of had an OBE, but the rest is bull, or
dream worlds created. For one no one talks about the most obvious
feature when you OBE and can see the "real" world, or how they just
somehow never had to learn how to move around, never scared of leaving
body and can never actually help you, besides say goto RM place, hoping
it would work for you, plus your thousands of dollars -_-  It just not
like something you can just do automatically, because you read a book.

At
best RM created a "world" that more and more people believe in, but I
can assure you it is not a reality. It like going to heaven if you a
Christian, and then later you find out it BS, cause it was all created
by the human minds that believe in it. Human minds can create "levels"
this guy created a fantasy and people followed, making it "real" on some
level. If that, more probably people read that crap making your
"dreams" make that real, not OBE.....and I will challenge anyone to a
meeting place. Been to CP, NY and no-one nothing, and to his
institute.....smh

Wow, such anger.  :-o

 ...and
what is this RM? Do you mean the Monroe Institute? I've never been and I
purchased and read his book "after" my adventures in this area. This
was one of the first experiences in this area I had every had and at the
time I was new to Astral Projection period and wasn't familiar with
Robert Monroe at all.  Just look at my opening line back in 2012 "This
topic will be just for Retrievals. I haven't had the chance to read
Bruce Moen's or the Monroe Institutes's information on them. "

 I
have found that for some reason that some people think that just
because they haven't experienced something that it means it doesn't
exist. You can post all of your OBEs and I am sure that you have
experienced many things I haven't as well. That is the reason that I
stopped posting my adventures on Forums, (I have Journals filled with
them though), because some people tried to imitate them and compare them
to their own. When they didn't match up they got angry like yourself.

 We
see what we need to see when we need to see it. My first goal/intent
(still is today), in this practice was always to use what I was seeing
and being taught to help others, no matter where those "others" may be.
Through reading, videos and personal emails with Kurt Leland, I found
that it is called "Invisible Helpers" and it was the name that was
penned way before Robert Monroe by a woman named Annie Bessant back at
the end of the 1800's.
 Both of these videos will help you understand her theories and they are "FREE".
 
 

 What
is your intent for "non ordinary states of consciousness"? Why do you
do it? Your intent will open the doors to your experiences.

 

Well, I hope that
if one day you need help (here or there, no difference) that someone
will be kind enough to help you, like most of us here provide help for
others. Consciousness on all levels interact all the time.

 It's been awhile now since this thread has been posted in.

 Last night I did/underwent a Retrieval experience, that is definitely unique enough to post in this thread.

 A
few months ago I told a few members here, one by phone, the other by
email about a LD experience I had that had me, what felt like, in some
kind of "job interview" in a actual Center for Retrieval. I found that
this Center was the inside of the Cathedral like, white building, that I
found myself at, right at the end of a Retrieval. I would normally
bring or accompany the "Retrievee" to the steps and that's as far as I
was allowed to go. Then the experience would end.
 In that experience
I saw the purpose of the Center. That it was there for some of the most
extreme cases. I also saw it was a place of terror. Each room became a
"Simulation Chamber" of sorts for whoever was in it. This was where they
were stuck in their own personal Hell.
 I was shown that when the
"Aide" entered, they could join the Retrievee's hellish experience and
work towards helping them. They could alter the scene at will. But, as
soon as they left the room, the room would morph back to the Retrievee's
hell once again. It was really extreme.
 Then I was shown the
"Aide's" life. Outside of this Center, it was paradise. They had
everything at their disposal. But, they had to fulfill their duty in
that Center to receive this. I was also shown that there is indeed a
"changing of the Guard" on the other side. Just like we evolve, so do
they, so spots are needed to be filled all the time.
 The last thing
I saw there was I was taken to some kind of conference room and I was
asked if I was willing to ..., before they were finished with words, I
accepted.

 Since then, it has been quiet on the "Retrieval" side
for me. Even my LDs have been, for the most part, uneventful. Until last
night that is.

 I become aware I am in some Hotel. I find soon
that I am in Hawaii and am just getting ready to fly back home. When I
was younger, in my 20s, I lived in Hawaii for 5 years.
 I find out my flight isn't going to be fore 7 hours from now. But I am checking out of the Hotel and have nothing to do.
 A
few "Maids" there, one male, one female see my dilemma and offer me a
room in the Hotel to stay until it's time for my flight. I go to the
room. It's a very nice, posh, large suite. We sit down and start
chatting and all of a sudden I hear the door behind me open and there is
a very frail elderly lady walking towards us. She waves, goes into the
kitchen area, then back into the bedroom. This shocks me. I never knew
we were in a "occupied" room. But the Maids don't even give it a
thought. I feel the need to use the bathroom. I walk to the bathroom
door, open it and all of a sudden realize it is my "physical" self that
needs to use the bathroom, lol. So, I wake up, use the bathroom, go back
to bed, mentally click "play, as in let's start where we left off.

 Somewhere
along the line I become aware again. Now I am in the same room, but
there is party going on. There is loud music, people, heavy drinking.
Yes, it's definitely a party. Then I see that frail lady again. She
leaves her room, goes into the kitchen area, then back to her room
again. She waves to everyone, but again, nobody but me pays attention to
her. This really has me curious now.

 I walk into the bedroom
and begin chatting with her. She is a great lady, funny, fun loving,
that is until I brought up the idea of death. She was terrified of
death.
 It then hit me, that the "Maids" were "Aides" leading me to a Retrieval and I was in a "Simulation Chamber".

 I
sat there with the lady and tried to find out how I could build up the
idea of a "Heaven" to her. To find a way to show her a new way of
thinking. In a Retrieval, you have everything at your disposal to aid
you in your task. But, you can't "decide/choose" for them. They must be
the ones that decide to move on.

 I would attempt to help her and
when I did, her "physical" image began to fade. But then I had a "click
in"/click out" and when I returned back, I saw that she was full form
again.

 I experience many cut-ins to the scenario, whereas I see,
that this failed and that failed. But then the idea comes to me. Why
not show her how to Astral Project? I then started down that road. The
first thing I used was from Bruce Moen's 14 minute video (Thank You
Bruce), where he his describing his "imagination with a deceased person"
technique. It is very good. I have to thank another Member of Astral
Forum for that share. Thanks Bee!
 

 So,
we started with imagination with some of her own deceased friends. She
was enjoying this. They were showing her a view of their "Heaven".
 
 Finally
after what seemed like many sessions, we hit success. She finally
disappeared and just as she did the scene went incredibly bright white.
It was so bright, that it overloaded my senses and I woke up.

 I
put it all together once I had awoken. Even though I was deeply in a
Retrieval scenario. I still had the thought, that I had likely missed my
flight. But I also consciously knew, where I was and what was going on.
Like I said, this is the first time I have had a successful Retrieval,
since I had my "Interview".

 I did post here a few weeks ago
about a situation I found myself in that may or may not have been a
Retrieval, It was rather disturbing though and I didn't "consciously"
see that one all the way to the end.
 
 

I always enjoy reading experiences in this thread. 

Lumaza, it looks like you are now on the payroll!  Hope to see more posts in the future.  :-)

  :-)

Wow, Lumaza, very cool. 

Please keep us updated with new successfully done assignments in your new official retrieval career.

A
few months ago I was asked by a lady in the non-physical when I wanted
to go to somewhere else (from the Void) if I didn't want to 'do some
care' first. I was confused because I had not expected a voice talking
to me at that point and did not get what she wanted. Only later it
occurred to me that she might have been an aide/retriever from the other
side and might have meant doing retrieval work with her (as her aid
from the physical side I assume).

I then later offered help and
called out to retrievers by setting intent for retrievals. But nothing
came out of it. Seems they don't let me even try. Then I had other
targets again and forgot about it again. Now you remind me again.

Maybe
I should renew my offer and give it another try. It is always a good
feeling when you have helped someone move on. (Well ... maybe, if you
find the time then, in your next team meeting with the Help Center staff
you could put in a good word for me, okay?  :wink: )

They always hear us. It's just they don't
answer us in the way we would "expect" and as timely as we would like.
Time has no relevance there, so they are in no rush. Humans, we rush
everything. That seems to be the problem with many people not finding
success with this whole practice, Astral Projection in general. They
want results "yesterday" and that's not the way it works.

 Will do!  :-D

Nice upgrade Lumaza, if you proceed
further into this you'll need to be ready to join with the mind of the
patient. This takes a massive understanding of everything they're
feeling and you'll see more of the dilemma. At times they need the
equivalent of the physical world 'slap' to wake them up so the
personality within can resurface. You'll understand this immediately and
instinct tells you what to do. It can be a emotional strain too at
first on yourself but being so NP aware you'll know when to switch off
this connection or the scenario becomes a fail. This side of it is
inherent, it's like that old days feeling of waking from a nightmare. It
always passes and you really do learn the hard way as I found many
times.
It's definitely an upgrade though and well deserved. If it
was put in physical world terms you could say 'a nine volt battery is
harmless by itself', ( this being the typical retrievals emotional
side), however, if you connect a thousand of them correctly then 'its a
different story by far', ( this becomes comparable to a nightmare
situation where your control is very limited but you do have everything
at your disposal). Mindset is key and staying grounded will be easy for
you.

@ Volgerle,
 you're entering a new world where what you
do matters. This is great fun as there's never a situation you can't
handle. After a few years they'll be fast paced and seem almost
impossible at times. That said, you need to stop and think again then
the answer appears and you get busy once again. I hope you get the
calling soon. You'll not look back and realise the rtz is a kindergarten
lol.
 

Hey Szaxx, sure is good to hear from you. Hugs

It has toned down to a "unconscious"
thing now. Once in awhile I will become aware that I am in a
"Retrieval", but now it has become the "new normal".

 I find
"Mindset" is the key to achieve success in the practice of NP
exploration itself. You need to be a good "Observer" as well.

 I am just beginning to embark on what I think may turn out to be a multi, many night Retrieval event.

 It
began a few days ago. I saw a man in prison. He was a very large man
and was in prison for being a Serial killer. What I saw and drew from
him was he was "evil incarnate" itself. I was then told 100 days.

 The
next thing I know, I am being arrested. I was being arrested for being a
"Illegal Alien". I kind of laughed at that. I guess that was showing I
was foreign to this realm. I didn't laugh for long though. Things got
real quick. My trial came and went and I was sentenced to 100 days in
jail before being deported. I guess they meant banished or the scenario
would come to a close.

 Soon I found myself in prison. It was the
prison that the Serial killer was in as well. Even though days were
passing by, I was still shown a marker for each actual night I had the
experience. In other words, I have been having it for two nights and now
the marker, countdown is down to 98. It doesn't seem to matter how much
time I spend in the simulation itself.

 The good thing is, my
pain meter, sense of pain has been turned off. That was a blessing when I
received my first "welcome pummelings" at the hands of some other
inmates. I would just close my eyes and meditate while they beat on me.
Soon word spread about my "meditative focus". That was good and bad. Bad
because some other inmates wanted to see it first hand for themselves,
which meant more beatings. Good because "everyone" had noticed this,
even the Serial killer, which it seems is my task for Retrieval.

 After
the pummelings, I could tell I was beaten. Sometimes I was viewing
through swollen eyes. But like I said, I could feel no pain, thankfully,
lol. One thing that I found really weird is that I had a body,
obviously, but I wasn't permitted to see my face.  Every attempt I made
to view my image was somehow blocked. I could see I had large hands and
big body. My skin was really hairy as well. Kind of like that of a
European culture. I even tried to look at my reflection in various
things like windows and spoons, etc., but nothing worked.

 Last
night, I was finally noticed by the Serial killer. He was in the yard,
surrounded by guards, as usual and he looked over at me and acknowledged
my presence. So, I guess now I have 97 more nights to get the job done.
I have a feeling that is going to be my greatest challenge yet. I
wonder if I will be consciously aware for the 97 nights. My intent and
affirmations are to be. But that is quite a while to have a run like
that.

Very interesting, Lumaza! After all,
evil is just lack of knowledge and not an origin energy, therefore it
can take its true form upon realization. I don't know why, but while
reading your experience I automatically imagined scenes from the show
"Prison Break" LOL. I loved that show. Perhaps if the killer learns
sooner than the remaining days, both of you can find a way to escape.
That would be an adventure :wink:

This man was a "savage" as savage as they come. The first part of this
whole simulation began with me viewing a brief rundown of his history
and though it was brief, I still saw enough for me.

 Never seen
the show. I try to limit the amount of violence I watch. The Stanley Cup
Playoffs seem to b about the extent of violence I now view on TV. I am
more abut the History and Science channels than anything.
 I was
kind of thinking it would make a good movie plot as well. I am sure many
of the famous Directors were putting pen to paper on their own personal
Dream simulations as well.

 Fingers crossed that it doesn't go the whole 100 days.  :-P

This man was a "savage" as savage as
they come. The first part of this whole simulation began with me viewing
a brief rundown of his history and though it was brief, I still saw
enough for me.


This is where you'll find if his psyche is a
reaction to his early life traumas or worse, that he is all bad. I hope
it's not the latter, this would be a tad difficult to resolve lol.
It's
within your powers to solve this, you can create anything that's
required at any time. This is worth remembering as it may be very useful
later.
Keep us informed.

 Thanks for the reply Szaxx!  :-)

 Unfortunately,
this guy is bad to the bone. I haven't been consciously aware in every
nightly episode. But the ones I have show that I am seeing his life from
the beginning, starting at his childhood. I think he may have a number
of lives whereas he was "bad to the bone" and it is just passing on to
this one too.

 When I get back to real time, meaning the
present, I am going to attempt to teach him to meditate. We will see
where that leads him. He is very intelligent. He reminds me of a
Hannibal Lecter type of character. He seems as intrigued by me, as I am
of him.

Wow, reads fascinating. So you go there
every night now, and that for still over 90 times to help this guy?
Keep us updated on developments and progress.

Curious, what did
you mean with that big-handed hairy "European culture"? Some cavemen or
what? Just saying that we shave here in Europe too and my hands are not
big either. Or did you mean some ancient 'savage' cavemen?
 :lol: :wink:

Lifeline

So in the last year, in
an effort to kick-start my NP learning, I did something I have wanted
to do for 30 plus years and that was to attend some courses at The
Monroe Institute (TMI) near Charlottesville, Virginia, USA. The core
courses are 5 day/6 night commitments where you live there and are fully
immersed within the Hemi-Sync sessions and
briefings/de-briefings/discussions with a like-minded group that begins
as strangers and six days later disbands as friends having shared a
unique and rewarding experience. I cannot recommend it in strong enough
terms. To begin with, the energy of the place after 40 plus years is
incredible and the immersive environment is strongly conducive to nearly
anyone having the opportunity for significant and rewarding
experiences. The first course is Gateway, which familiarizes you with
the first several Focus levels (10, 12, 15, 21) and explores certain
experiences within each of those Focus levels. The next week-long course
is a choice of either Guidelines or Lifeline. Lifeline deals with
retrievals and navigating through the Afterlife and so I chose that as
my second course, that concept having always had a special interest to
me. Over 50 plus years, I think that I have done a few retrievals within
nearly unconscious dream contexts, and a few definite simulations over
the last several years; but the process still felt somehow incomplete
and a bit frustrating for me, so I wanted to try something new.

Now
I must admit that I have used the Gateway Hemi Sync tapes since 1995,
the CDs since 2005, and honestly not gotten much from them. Yes, some
patterning and some problem-solving sessions seemed to produce results,
but I never felt as if I was getting deep enough for the results I was
seeking; never had a direct OBE from them. In retrospect I think I was
wrong and wasn't looking at the process the way I needed to; but that's
me- don't let my experience scare you off of these products because many
people find huge benefits from them. Consequently, my first time at TMI
for the Gateway program, I didn't get much in the way of experiences,
though many did. I was hoping for more, but just didn't get the results I
wanted. I did however, suspect that some inner work was taking place,
something on a subtle, sub-conscious level. I did have a wonderful and
fulfilling time sharing with all the other participants and would
return, if not just for that, it was so good.

Lifeline started
off much the same way for me. It was a smaller but much more experienced
NP group; many of these people had OBE experience under their belt and a
few participants were quite talented. I came there with guarded
expectations yet still felt a certain level of 'performance anxiety';
and this kind of pressure can be a good thing...it is five solid days of
literally 'eating, sleeping and breathing consciousness training'; it
is full immersion within the process.

The first full day of
sessions included instructions to recognize certain states or to
introduce/meet with guides...I got none of that. All I experienced was
multiple color tours through mostly purple and violet with splashes and
streaks of red, yellow, orange and green; nothing of the visuals I was
hoping for nor expecting. Plus I hadn't slept a minute the first night.
At lunch I expressed my frustration to one of the trainers and she
suggested that I was being pushed to learn all this from an 'energetic'
sense. She added the idea that purple often involved healing. Those
ideas actually resonated with me and I determined to go with the flow of
whatever presented itself. The rest of the days sessions were all more
color tours, with brief and fleeting visuals. Eventually I came to
realize that these color tours were not simply random synaptic firings
but rather some type of energy movements and patterns that I should try
to follow as best I could.  The final session that night I found myself
again in the purple/violet colors but this time they resolved into a
visual of a purple ocean. I looked for land, but could find none and
finally decided to just dive into the purple ocean where I dove down a
hundred feet or so, into the icy darkness, and just relaxed there
releasing myself to whatever energy was there.

The next day was
much the same with tours through purple and violet energies. Did not
sleep that night either; I was nearly physically exhausted and mentally
drained. Again, late in the day, I found myself at a purple ocean but
this time I spied a beach and landscape; so again I took the plunge and
rocketed through the depths like a supersonic dolphin. It was refreshing
and invigorating to swim like this! I wasn't necessarily happy about my
results but at least I had gotten something more than the previous
sessions.

One of the last sessions was an intro to F22 which they
informed us could touch on some 'Hellish' regions or dark areas of some
kinds of 'purgatories' where we might see souls who were seriously
stuck in difficult places. We were not supposed to try and rescue
anybody here, at least initially; this was a kind of precursor tour
through F22 and eventually we would end up in a slightly higher Focus
(23) where we would eventually do our retrieval work. This session
became an incredible turning point for me- it was an epic tour of a
purple hellish landscape of lost and tormented souls, an incredible
surreal visual that finally punctuated my earlier color tours. I flew
slowly, sometimes low, sometimes higher about two hundred feet over
mountain ranges and shorelines, all bathed in dark and purple. The
darkness and color didn't bother me, I had spent two days in purple and
violet. My emotions were in control, yet I could feel the depth of the
pain and misery and sense of 'lost' below and around me, in people and
creatures hidden in the recesses below. I reached out to help a few
times but quickly realized the futility of my attempts. I must have
flown a hundred miles taking in this godforsaken scenery. The whole
experience was a strange kind of dichotomy for me: On one hand I was
finally getting a lengthy visual that I could put into a context; on the
other hand that context was a nightmarish scenery of Hell/Purgatory.
The Hemi-Sync instructions occasionally were heard to look for the
somewhat brighter region of F23 and I thought that I could just catch a
glimpse of sunshine far off beyond the mountain ranges, but I could
never quite work my way over to it. Finally I put out the mental
question- Where am I?
In a weird kind of humor the answer blazed before me in unmistakable numbers-22 1/2...
And then the return signal sounded and I came back.

By
the third day I had slept a few hours, was somewhat recovered. Today we
were to attempt our first retrieval. My expectations were at rock
bottom; I had zero confidence. The first few sessions were designed to
take us to Focus 27, familiarize ourselves with the Park, the Reception
Center and the Healing and Rejuvenation Center. I got nearly nothing
from that: maybe some vague, what felt like self-generated imaginings of
souls moving into and through these areas...and then just more purple
color tours. I understood the idea of kick-starting the process, priming
the pump with a little imagination but it just felt incomplete, I
wasn't trusting any of the feedback I was getting. In this latest
session, we were to move to 27, obtain the assistance of a guide and
move down to F23 to look for and assist any stuck souls that grabbed our
NP attention. Yeah, I didn't feel too confident about accomplishing
that.

So I went to 27, or what felt to me like 27. I asked around
for guidance and felt nothing in response. So I said 'to hell with it'
and dove down anyway to what I felt was 23. I was back in colors and
swimming around through what were now energies I had known for a few
days. It took a couple minutes but I felt 'something'. It was a new
color, a new energy, a different feel. And I 'knew' it was in need of
help; so I reached out to it in the only way I could think of- not
physically, but mentally and with a little sincere emotion (feel/think).
And then something like a pop-up window on a computer screen appeared
for me. It was just a small visual screen set within my focus and it
only lasted maybe five seconds. It was a modern day soldier, American I
think but am not sure. He was leading a squad in line-ahead along a
ridgeline in what looked like the Middle East and they were suddenly hit
with automatic gunfire and all went to the ground. And the visual was
gone. I 'knew' he had been hit and killed by 4 or 5 bullets. But I was
back swimming in energy colors.

Then the visual screen opened
again, maybe for another five seconds; but this time it was larger and I
could almost feel myself standing within the scene. I was standing over
him and he was looking up at me with the realization that I was
unconcerned about the suppressive fire going on and he was likely
already dead. He says to me, "It happens that quickly?" And
instinctively I respond to him, "Yeah, it can happen that quickly." The
visual fades. When the visual comes in again I am now fully within the
scene 100%. I reach out my hand and he takes it and I help him to his
feet. I say to him, "It's alright now, we can go. I'm going to take you
to a place where this can all get sorted out." He holds on tight as we
lift into the air and the transition to 27 is much quicker than I
thought it would be, maybe just two or three seconds. I am back to
sensing only energies there and as I let him go it is in the midst of
several very bright and white cloud-forms of energy and I know
everything is good.

So that was my first retrieval at Lifeline. There were several others. All very different and unexpected.

It
might be of interest that a later session in the day involved each of
us going to 27 and entering the Healing and Rejuvenation Center to ask
for our own individual healing. Again, I found this a bit difficult to
visualize so I finally re-imagined some old friends to help me- the
young man and woman attendants from my Back to School adventure. They
actually appeared quite readily and asked "How can we help you now?" The
scene and my place within it became instantly stronger and I asked for
some healing and they marched me down a hallway and handed me off to
another guy who took me into an examination room. He asked what he could
do for me and I said that I probably could use some healing on many
levels. Just use your best judgment I said.

He looked at me and said, "What do you think all the purple was about?"

  

Nice experience at TMI. I live far away
from there in Europe from the USA and it would be costly for me to try
it lol. I also tried many reachable tracks what are on the internet but
the only effects was calmness and similars, despite that I did the mind
work.

That purple energy is interesting, while I've read your
story through, got the impression that maybe I would get something
similar after not experiencing what others do and our expectations are
quite as the same as others', like "but why I don't get what they are?".
Something like that. I had the impressions when you got only those
energy stuff that guides are doing what suits you. For us, it is not
obvious why this and that happens that way but after when you ask back
on a reinforcement, you almost laugh, like lol it was "that"? I mean you
got the help and training but never guessed why or what is it. I don't
have so much experience maybe like you but I've learned about
non-physical friends and some parallel selves that they (we) are
completely different from regular people having all the experiences
which we can read, hear and see. We can call it uniqueness. I guess I
could be in the exact same frustration at TMI as I don't get the
expected signposts or experiences until it turns out that I've got what
was necessary the whole time after I ask back haha.

In the end,
it worths it. It took me years through my conscious sleep life to
uncover the categories for myself what "they" are doing behind the
scenes (and me) and why my experiences are like that and I guess I will
uncover all after 5-10 years too. Very tiring leading a diary each day
if I intend for the experiences and I live up days through the night in
the NP. But I enjoy even the bad. I guess it takes even a physical
lifetime. We get those signs or trainings and many times we just miss
the whole meaning. Maybe the difficulty comes from this stupid
civilizational programming and brainwashing from childhood and we need
to "unlearn" the most.

Wow, EV, that was a cool experience with Lifeline.  :-)

I
myself start or resume the process of retrievals myself now and I had
my first one with drowned children recently although it was a bit more
'bizarre' for me.

I wish I could also attend a seminar at the TMI, but it is too costly and too far away for me.

I
see violet during meditation sometimes and also when I was in a healing
situation from another healer, then the violet dots or clouds moved
from up to down or left to right. So yes, it possibly is also about
healing.

Wish Lumaza, our retrieval expert and thread starter,
was still here and comment but it seems he has again taken a longer
time-out?
 :-(

How exciting, EV! And great results from the sessions. You offered help to someone and you have received help from your guides.
I
hope this experience will accelerate your AP frequency.  20 years ago I
also wanted to attend these courses, but at that time I couldn't afford
it.  Eventually I learned myself and now although I can afford it, I
don't need it. But out of curiosity and to socialize with other
explorers I may sign up for the program.

This has always been one of many
favourite threads on this forum.  I always enjoy reading everyone’s
experience.  Thanks for adding yours EV!  My favourite books I’ve read
were by Bruce Moen and reading about his sessions with TMI.  It is
always great to hear other people’s experiences with TMI who participate
in this forum. 

Sounded like an awesome experience EV!

Wow! EV , I also whish many time to go at the centre.  :-D Great experience.

 EV, we have already spoken, via the
phone, about your Retrieval here. So, I don't think it's necessary to
comment again on it here.

 I had a really strange and challenging
Retrieval experience last night. I all started at the "Retrieval
Center", that I have spoke of in the past here. I was in what I call a
"Simulation Room". This is a room the that the Retrievee is currently
in. They can simulate it to anything they wish, as can I can, to help
them to move on.

 The subject here was a lady that appeared to be
in her early forties. I immediately searched out the problem why she
couldn't move on. To do that I first do a brief "life review" of the
subject, so I may learn a bit about them and their past situations
during their life here on Earth.

 This woman's life was literally
pure hell. She had been mentally, physically and sexually abused
throughout her youth. She began pregnant at the age of 20 and because of
her severe drug addiction, she had a "Cocaine baby", that died soon
after it was born. She lied, cheated, committed adultery a few times.
Like I said, she was a mess. So was her Family that she basically had
liven most of her life with.

 There is was other thing though.
She and her family was very religious. They went to church twice, yes,
that is twice a week, when they could. I found that very strange, given
the way that her and her entire Family lived their lives. It was like
they were hearing the words the Preacher was saying, but totally
ignoring the meaning of them. This really perplexed me. Most of my
Retrieval experience was based on her back story. It went quite a while
too.

 So, now that I knew a lot more about her, I turned to what
was the problem in her moving on. She caught me off guard when she
looked at me and said "I will move on when God appears and tells me to".
I knew what I should have done, but couldn't do it. I couldn't take on
the form of God. I wouldn't do it. So, I failed the retrieval. As I have
seen by the fact that she is in the "Extreme" ward, no one else there
would do it either.

 Could you?

 Thanks for listening.

Lumaza, you did NOT fail the retrieval.
You did your part, but it was not for nothing. Your help has added to
her glass of knowledge, and one day when the glass if full she will
"see". Until she is ready, no one can force her or trick her to see the
truth. Eventually she will though. I don't have consents with stuck
souls because eventually they do find their way, they still encounter
lessons wherever they are and all that adds to their overall knowledge.
When the knowledge accumulates enough, they have sudden realizations,
just like we do here. I think this applies to any place in the
multiverse. ANY experience adds to the knowledge.

Okay EV, I know we talked quite a bit
about your TMI experience but I didn't realize til now that I hadn't
commented here. As you know I've had a lot of distractions lately so
forgive my scattered tendencies please.

Far as I can see that
was a perfect retrieval, well done my friend. I was totally intrigued
with your experience with the violet energies. I love feeling my way
through those energies when I'm blessed enough to feel them. Don't it
just bug the britches off you though when it's all color and no
definition, good as being blind. But you pulled your way through that
wonderfully.

Loved this line, "What do you think all the violet
was about?" Typical short answer. I think 'they' like playing with us.
Eh, so frustrating.
.....

Lumaza, it seems so weird how
screwed up people can be on their belief systems like this retrieval of
yours. It's interesting that I have met quite a few people who seem like
the most 'ungodly' people you could imagine and yet they hold these
very strong religious beliefs. It really makes you pause when you stop a
moment and think about it, like how did this happen?

I think
LIghtBeam is right on point about even the retrieval area being a
learning center. The lessons don't stop even there, however it's
possible the opportunities for learning might be fewer and further
between so people like you/us/others are more than necessary. I
certainly don't think you failed and as for your question, no I don't
think I could play that role either. But if we think about that a moment
we would have to ask ourselves, now why is that?

Are none of us brave enough to put on the mantel of God or perhaps we still much to work on in our own belief systems?

Oh, welcome back!

In February of this year, I seriously
asked to be 'enrolled' in the retriever program and then got some
amazing signs for a few weeks afterwards (dreams and physical life
synchronicities) that I was 'hired' indeed.

I then had two
retrieval experiences of a very different kind. Since I also (while I am
still learning it) want to write a book about this topic in the future I
also started recording them on my revitalised Astral Blog although I
did not want to record any projections publicly anymore. But I also
thought I can kind of 'inspire' more people to learn to become helpers
and they are also amazing experiences of a different kind - and it fits
my book project.

lumaza , a question also related to one of my
experiences: How are the retrievees 'imported' to the Retrieval Center?
Is it all still in the F2 area and it is just your way of visualising
it, so it is practically a gateway or a hub to the people to be helped?
Or is your RC a 'place' higher up (F3) and they are already a step
further and were retrieved / brought to these separate rooms from a
'lower' astral plane (F2/F3) to work out their stuff and be counseled /
retrieved further?

In one of my experiences I 'imported' one
retrievee into my own dreamscape (F2) and it intermingled possibly with
his own. I remember Fred Aardema writing in his book about a similar
experience where he was first in a country road he knew from his
childhood. He then met a child to be retrieved and they ran together
'home' into the city to the centre. There the city slowly turned into
one that the child (also) knew and it ran into the light then. So that
is another example where you start with our own visualisation / astral
(dreamscape) area and it mixes up with the one of the retrievee. The
other retrieval I had was in a more stable area which was unknown to me
at a lakeside (I assume in F3, a lower astral consensus group
environment with/for people suffering from the same kind of death event
trauma, drowning in this case).

Here's the two retrievals from
February documented on my blog (Drunkard, Drowned Children). I stopped
the activity for now since I am in a life situation which is hard and
have to 'retrieve myself' from it first before I can be a helper again,
but I want to resume it very soon and also go on with my book.

astral-blog.weebly.com/blog

 

Lumaza,

Just a couple of
thoughts reading your experience.  It sounds like you were given a very
difficult one since you mention that this woman was in the ‘Extreme’
ward and that others have failed.  Are we not all God?  Are we not all
Creators?  Do we not all have the Divine within us?  Maybe this was a
test for you as well.  You say that you ‘Couldn’t take on the form of
God’ but this ‘Couldn’t’ sounds like a limitation that you and likely
many others (including myself) have since this woman is still in this
state.  Limitations that mankind has by putting God above us.  Hopefully
this is something we can all work on!  Anyways, that was my humble 2
cents!

Welcome back!


Volgerie,

I read your post on the ‘Drowned Children By The Dark Lake’.

 You
state: ‘Although I did not stay until the ‚end‘ and fulfilment (which
is what often happens to retrievers) I might have contributed to the
group retrieval of drowned children.’

When I read this I felt
that you did stay until the end.  You were all chanting a mantra to
raise the vibrations of the children.  As the vibrations increased the
children moved on and you were sent home since you were not allowed to
follow them just as Author Fred Aardema states about seeing them go into
the light.  Yours was not a visual but it was a vibration.

Well done!

 Nameless and Lightbeam, Thank You for
the vote of confidence. I took it as a test as well. I strive to stifle
my ego during a Retrieval. It is all about them, not me. That is why I
guess I had a hard time assuming the form of God. I also don't really
see God, with the big G as being a Human form as is. I see it more of a
"energy based nature".

 Volgerle, my first Retrieval occurred
while in a Phase session. At the time, I was using Binaural Beats and
just went with the flow. An image of a soldier then appeared in front of
me and suddenly the whole scene just opened up in front of me. I then
acted on instinct.

 The next events then occurred after setting
the stage. I put out the intent and began my Doorway process. This led
to a certain Doorway(portal) that I had chosen, visualized and when I
opened that door, a full a Retrieval revealed itself.
 I then began
targeting the actual place, this enormous white Cathedral building that I
kept experiencing at the finale of my Retrieval experiences. When a
Retrieval was completed, we, (the Retrievee and myself) would be whisked
off to the Island destination, finally ending up at the steps of this
white Cathedral (Hospital like) building.

 I found that this
Island, seemed to resemble my "Happy Place" that I used to target when I
began this practice. That being my Tropical Island Paradise. At times I
could swear this Retrieval area was the on other side of the Island,
that I hadn't explored yet. I had and still do have may unique
adventures when targeting this place. It has become the ultimate
"launching pad" for me.

 Then, it began occurring in my Dreams.
In these, I would just become aware I was experiencing a Retrieval and
react (act) accordingly with full lucidity. That led to my experience of
finally being permitted to "enter" this white Cathedral building.
During that experience I made a choice to continue Retrievals when I
myself transitioned away from my Human form.

 I saw this all
like some sort of "transition" or in todays' terms, "leveling up". My
continued intent to become a "invisible helper" was answered. After
awhile it all became "automatic". I would always become consciously
aware in my Dream, when I needed or was required to.

 Volgerle,
your intent to become a "invisible helper" has been heard and received
as well. Like everything else in this practice, there seems to be a
"learning curve" though.

 T-man, yes I saw it as a test as well.
But as usual, it was after the fact that I came to that conclusion. I
saw that I was being tested to find my "limit", to see how far I would
go. I have done some strange and "extreme" things in the past to aide
Retrievees in finding their way. Like I said, we, the Retrievists, I
guess you call them, can use anything at our disposal to "help" them
decide to move on. But we can't force them to or make the decision for
them.

 Are we not all Gods, are we not all Creators? I found for
some reason that taking on that form was just not right and that's
beyond the question of ego. I myself still have questions today about a
the "Creator", that I can't answer. I guess that confusion also played a
part in not being able and refusing to take on that form.

Lumaza,
There are several topics related to Retrievals to discuss here; I will touch on a few.

1-
I wonder that you didn't need to show up as "GOD" for this woman to
believe in your relief assistance, but maybe you could have chosen a
lesser form- an Angel, a Saint, a brilliant, shining cloud-form, etc. I
had that dilemma as one of my retrievals at TMI and found an interesting
way to deal with it, but I will certainly allow that this was a higher
level test of just how "authentic" you would choose to be within a
retrieval context; it is all quite 'level determinant', and in your case
it was likely a next-level test of sorts.

Within my TMI
retrievals, I found that I mostly operated from a very instinctual
level; at least initially. All of my prior PR anxieties and worries
about how I might react within a retrieval context were simply left
behind- I operated within a purely instinctive and intelligent level I
was previously unaware of...in retrospect I was quite happy with all my
decisions and my thinking at the time. It all just seemed to fall in
place very naturally.

With later retrievals I was more involved
within a cognitive level- I had more decisions to make and they did not
happen automatically. I will post an example that relates to this
conversation and the 'higher spirit' context within a day or two.

2-
The 'cathedral' that you describe is pretty clearly what TMI describes
as the Healing and Rejuvenation Center and it seems to exist within the
same NP area that many of us have visited. TMI describes it as Focus 27
and through the Hemi-Sync process they can assist you in getting there.
In my understanding/experience this is an energy construct, a NP energy
framework of interpreting the energy that is at work there. This
language is just simply incapable of describing it properly; this is the
best that I can offer. Within Focus 27 there are many such constructs,
serving different purposes: Education, Planning, History, and Re-Entry. I
did not get as complete a tour as I wished for, but I did get a good
taste of it. As an example, I was traveling through the Healing and
Rejuvenation Center once and was asked if I wished to revisit a healing
modality that I had rejected a few years earlier within a dream. Feeling
absolutely clueless, I said okay. I was put into a 24 inch by 24 inch
rectangle column of glass? and a slicing/dicing grid of blades descended
upon me. It chopped me into maybe 32 bits of flesh-very realistic but
not (maybe just a little) painful...then it chopped me again into 64
bits...then once again into 128 (I guess)… and my awareness lay there on
the floor for a few seconds, scattered into 128 bits of awareness (that
was an interesting sensation!) and then I slowly
're-configured'...IDK...just sayin'. I mentioned this experience at the
next lunch to one of the Trainers and she responded very naturally
saying, "Oh yes, that's just one form of balancing your energies." And
with that, I realized that a couple years earlier, I had ended a dream,
thinking it was de-volving into a nightmare...but actually it had been a
healing opportunity.

I gotta tell ya, the Trainers at TMI are a
uniquely-talented set of people. I have now met six of them and I am
truly impressed by each one and within their singular expertise.

3-
The area of the 'healing cathedral' or what TMI calls the HRC also
includes a few other 'energy structures'- The Education and Planning
Center, the Archives and the Re-Entry area. I am only beginning to
explore this area but it does seem to be 'island-like'.

TMI has
no express admonishments about describing what they do, so I will offer
this: Focus 27- It does appear like an island. And you create your
'Happy Place' somewhere within it...and that I have done. My place is a
multi-terraced beach resort; I soon realized there is really no need for
interior bedrooms or kitchen, dining or other areas...it might as well
just be terraces enjoying a view of the sea. So this is where you are
initially directed for a Retrieval. Go to your place, then go to the
Park and ask for a Guide and drop down into F23 for a Retrieval.

And
my friend Lumaza has discovered this on his own...he describes it
exactly as I just experienced it a few months ago multiple times and he
has thereby confirmed it in a very incredible and authentic way. His
'Happy Place' does exist...it is in F27...and from there it does feel
like a mile-long jump to the Park, where you ask for guidance or
permission, or you just say sh..t, I will do it myself...and you go down
through the frequencies and find lost people...and bring them home.

To share within this requires offering yourself to the greater good of the Universe.

It requires a degree of service, wherever you may find yourself.

T-Man,
thanks for the kind words,
yes, I also believe that I contributed a necessary part and maybe it was
what was needed most for them (and the caretaker/guide) in this
particular (and for me peculiar) situation.

EV & Lumaza,
Wow,
amazed at reading all of your detailed professional experience(s). I
see that as a relative newbie to the art of retrieval I only have
started my (learning) process and am motivated to resume it soon after I
put it on hold last February.

Friends, please never stop
posting here. Let's start a 'Retrieval Club' in this thread and I hope I
will be able to add more of my new(bie) experiences then soon (will
post a link to blog every time).

Questions I have so far:

So
you mainly do the retrievals all by yourself and get them to a place,
if I get it right? You do not just let the guide do 'the rest' and guide
them to this 'higher place'?

For me there are actually three main types of 'handover' or 'closure' to identify:

either 1) a guide handover or a 2) light event or type 3) going to a 'location' yourself, mostly F27?

I've been once there to this 'Park' or 'Island# but it was the/a library.

So
the lady who wanted to see God did not have to be shown a guide or the
'light' anymore since she was already partly retrieved to
F27/Island/Park (if I get it right) and to the Healing/Retrieval centre
there - and she just needed counselling to be moved on further?

This
would be a fourth type for me then. Advanced level. But is it still
retrieval or isn't it even more? Counselling? Being or becoming a real
'guide' or guardian angel yourself?

I would call this retrieval work 4.0 already (I'm feel I'm only at 1.02 or maybe 1.03 now) after all.   :lol:

In
this situation with the lady I would have tried not to turn into God
for her but to 'show' her God by guiding her to some light (type 2) that
I would have hoped to appear then (and it usually does in lower astral
cases maybe?).

But in this case it would have been wrong then
anyway because - as I understand it - she was already transported to
this place higher up (Healing/Retrieval Centre, Hospital, Cathedral) and
needn't 'a lift' of this kind anymore?

Btw, next to the Library
(akashic?) I once made it to a 'Temple Of Healing' (described by Dolores
Cannon in her book this way) and it looked like a cathedral indeed with
a nice garden in front of it and people were queuing to get inside then
on a sunny day. But I was not inside then. I was there with one of my
main guides back then and I unfortunatley had to leave to get back to my
body then because time was up. So maybe that was another visit to F27
or the "Island" or "Park".

Hope I'll get there soon. I do not
feel though I will be able to go to F27 first and start a retrieval
directly by going down. I think I cannot do it so far. I still would
have have to 'work myself up' from the 'astral hell' together with the
retrievee then to bring them to F27 myself.

I'm really excited to try this next time.

Just decided to try a projection to
that Retrieval/Healing Centre/Cathedral myself. After all I was there
'outside' already so I have the 'ident' somehow of this 'location' in
F27. Maybe the guides will help me since I am a 'trainee' and thus 'part
of the gang' somehow.  :roll: :-D

During the "life
review" that I did on her to understand her further, I saw that the
image of God that she would only accept was a elder white man with a
large beard. Because of that, I knew that that was who she was
"expecting". I never thought of appearing as just a form of energy
though, because I had already seen her "chosen" image. It was very
stereotyped. Actually so was her life as well.


It's almost as somehow someway we just "know" what to do!  :wink: Last
night I had a lucid experience where I found myself "enrolling" in some
form of education. I felt current self, even though I did find out that I
was a youth in this scenario. That showed me symbolism that I was just
about to begin some new form of education.

I never replied to the part of your post
where you explained the "scattering of your awareness. As you know from
my past posts, I have experienced being eaten by little Pac Man
characters, seeing my body as a chalk outline, like in a murder scene
and some various other parts of dismemberments. I found that these were
all taught to me to show me how important it was to disengage from a
physical mindset. Through this I wrote in my Doorway thread, techniques
to "disassociate" yourself from your physical focus by using a few
simple methods.

Next time I am there, I'll have to look you up, lol!  :-D



With me it all began when I chose to be "invisible helper", as stated
in the Annie Bessant video. I still go back and listen to that video
once in awhile. There is so much great info to be found in it. You
really can't receive all that info in just one sitting.

As with anything else in this
practice and in any teachings in life, there is a "learning curve" here
as well. Most of it I find is through "repetition" and learning how to
compose yourself while in the NP itself. In other words, "learning the
lay of the land"!  :wink:

I agree!  :-)

During my first ever "conscious" Retrieval, I felt the presence of a guide, if needed though.

 Almost
all of my Retrievals ended with me escorting the Retrievee to the
Cathedral/Hospital. I did right in this very thread though a few
circumstances that didn't arrive at the Cathedral. One being the
experience where the Retrieve walked down a flight of stairs and climbed
into a dresser drawer of some kind. The other escorting a Retrievee to
more of a Hotel/Palace type of destination. That could still have been
on the "Island" though. The dresser drawer wasn't though. At least I
didn't sense it as such.


She was in the "extreme" cases area and that I was shown seems to be
inside of the Cathedral. It was only in my last few experiences that I
was ever permitted to enter that place.
 She seemed to be too
stubborn to move on. She wanted to see what she wanted to see, but as I
saw it, no one there was willing to do it. Which I found strange because
the "Aides" that I had seen there were not necessarily Human
themselves.  

There are quite a few similarities in all our stories here. Still, we are likely all perceiving it in our own way.

 We get there how ever we can. The main thing is that we "get there"!  :-)

I love this thread and am all for the
Retrieval Club. I have one question for the retrievers, do you or have
you ever seen another retriever in action?

I never saw another somebody doing it, I
tend to many times save a group of people if not one or two individuals
lol. I guess it is unlikely to see anybody else because we are I guess
are taken to specific places to do it and I don't know what is the
chance seeing anybody else doing the same where you are.

My goal when I created my Doorway technique was to
have a number of people also learn how to target "direct" areas, as in
"chosen" Doorway/portals. I understood that other people may and likely
would perceive the doors/portals differently. But I found that once we
could learn how to do the targeting itself, then we could target
specific Focus levels as well, including undergoing Retrievals. But it
seemed no one was interested in that.    :-(

 I have never
personally viewed another active Retrieval in process. Like Philidan
here, I have also had these "group Retrievals", where it seems like I am
there to save some community, village, town, etc., from some sort of
threat. I call those experiences "Hero Dreams" though. Those ones all
occur during LD experiences.

Computer locking. lost last reply. Internet/NP interference...always hard to tell, lol. crap.

I
will keep my answer short bc of this. During retrievals, TMI reminds us
to get personal information that can be later verified. In many cases
apparently, this is done. Apparently a lot of people have been verified.
I don't know...it hasn't yet occurred to me to ask of any of my
'retrievies'.

My instinctive and over-riding response seems to
always be to deal with the issue at hand, and not be on a fact-finding
mission, gathering names and dates of birth.

To answer several of
Volgerle's questions, I would say that you have already been there
several times, whether it is the Park, the Reception Center or Focus
27...do not get hung up on that issue...it is all the same and from what
you describe, you have been there. Interpretations of energy
constructs.

F27 does have related areas: The Library (Akashic
records?), the Planning/Education Center, the Entry Center, the Healing
and Rejuvenation Center (Hospital).

As far as navigating around
these various places/states of consciousness, my own descriptions are
limited and imperfect, but comparing them to Lumaza and Volgerle and
many others I can agree and testify to them, at least to my
satisfaction. As Robert Monroe famously said, "Don't take my word for
it; go experience it for yourself."

There are Guides available
and waiting for each of us and many at TMI describe meeting them. In my
own case, I don't have any here, at least working directly with me. I
know they are there, just in the shadows...I have spent decades bitching
and screaming WHY won't you respond to me?! It has only been shown to
me in the last year that my Guides are there, but they don't show
themselves. Apparently that is because I insisted on this condition for
my incarnation; I wanted to do this entirely on my own. Silly me, but
apparently they are honoring that agreement to the letter. They still
find 'work-arounds' to teach me or remind me of certain things; and I am
slowly learning to appreciate this level of such incredibly subtle and
delicate assistance...so God bless them and my love and thanks...

Enough for now.

Given what I just posted, here is another January TMI retrieval-

The
Hemi-Sync assists me up to my 'happy place', my little resort in F27. I
created...or at least, started this place many years ago...it never
felt complete and it still doesn't, yet my work during Lifeline has
strengthened the idea of it; sometimes I feel my presence there very
strongly, other times not so much...but I do now recognize its purpose
and function. I stand on the terrace and for a few moments enjoy the
afternoon sun and it's warmth as I stare out across a gentle sea. I am
there, maybe 85 to 90 percent. I spend a few moments, gathering my
thoughts, my determination and resolve it into an 'intent' for a
retrieval. Then I shoot up into the sky, into an arc that is maybe only a
mile or two and land within the Park in 27.

A man is there
immediately facing me. He asks how can I help you? ( I am a bit
surprised because now I suddenly feel 100% in the scene) I say that I am
here to do a retrieval. He smiles and says, "You should have a Guide
with you." I say, "I don't have one right here and apparently I don't
require one." ( I say this with as much respect as I can) There is a
definite pause. I ask, "Can I still go?" And he says yes.

So I
drop down, I just 'feel' the sensation of descending levels and
instinctively trust that I am heading to the right place. I have no
visuals now, I am back to 'sensing energies', which apparently the last
several days I have been learning...but honestly, it sucks...I really
prefer some kind of visual, but it repeatedly seems that I am being
encouraged/challenged to add learning this from an 'energetic'
perspective...confusing and daunting...just when you think you're
understanding it, the difficulty shifts up another level...

I feel like I am in complete darkness...blackness...so I just wait...it's like the Void and a certain comfort level...

And
a woman's voice cries out...and she is desperate...I sense her and make
a slight connection, somehow (mental? emotional?)...she immediately
recognizes my presence. "You, what's going on? Get me out of this!"  I
mentally inquire back to her and I can mentally 'read' her story- She
remembers dying but not dying...that they put her in the ground and that
she could not understand why they were throwing dirt over her. The last
shovel of dirt blocked out the last glimpse of sunlight she could
remember and it had been dark ever since...and she had just lay there...
"I could see the last shovel of dirt they threw over me!" (I will never
forget that statement).

I mentally spoke to her, "I am sorry for
the way they treated you, but do you think maybe that you had died?
Being in darkness all this time, maybe it is time to let all that go?"

We
are still in complete darkness but I realize she has relaxed and become
receptive/given over to my control. I imagine reaching for her hand,
feel it and begin moving forward and upward. I have a limited idea of
F27 and the Reception center but we move upward and arrive there and I
hand her over to welcoming people/energies (I get a sense of both); they
are good and she is good...yeah...I realize that I don't always have to
witness it visually, I just have to trust the 'knowing' that the
mission was accomplished...

 

Cool.
What I learn from this as a beginner (and I might be wrong) is that you
can go over the Void to your 'destination' (= the retrievees location)
after all. This is what I did with the drowned children. I was just
approaching it from 'down there' (physical) insteaf of 'up there' (F27,
higher astral).

So I need not necessarily go over
F27/Retrieval-Center/Park/Island first? Maybe it is helpful and useful
to have the locational 'ident' where you bring them back to?

Otherwise
I would try (as a starter and since my time is limited because I cannot
'hold it' so long like more skilled projecors) to keep going to my
destination first, meet the retrievee and then try to gain their trust
and take their hand flying to F27 to the Centre - instead of sending
them into the light or handing them over to a guide.

So that could work?  :?

I feel exactly the
same. It's about "them" (the souls I aid), not me. For me, I feel that
attempting to get verification would be trying to prove to someone else
that this is real. In my opinion, I don't have to prove anything to
anyone. I experience what I experience whether people believe it or not.
I have never even given attempting to get a verification, while there,
any thought at all. That's not what it's all about.

It's not so much
about "navigating" these areas that is important, it's more about
"knowing" what to do while there that is. The longer you are there, the
more of the "scenario" at hand you are taking in. But sometimes that
also means that you lose a lot of the memory recall. You just awaken or
come out of your Phase session and realize that you just did something
positive and profound that made a difference.  :-)

I like that you had enough conscious awareness
right off the bat to be able to know what your mission was and also know
that you didn't necessarily need a Guide to fulfill it! 

Volgerle, I live by the adage, "if it's not broken, don't fix it". This
is another of the many times I see that that comes into play here.

 Do
what works for you. You will be taught more when it is necessary to be.
You likely are having little lessons given to you now as it is. Just go
with the flow. Like I said "your intent has been heard and recognized.

 Don't "overthink" this!  :wink:

I
get what you mean, Lumaza, I understand. But as you might know me a
little already, also from my Void article or other posts. I like
categorizing, researching, structuring, discussing ... so yes, I am
guilty of constant 'overthinking'.
 :lol:

I know exactly
who I am talking to, lol!  :-D That is why I said "don't overthink it".
There is plenty of time to do that after the fact. Just be aware and
learn to allow things to commence and they will. The first thing I was
taught by a Mentor that showed up earlier in my practice was to "learn
to allow and passively observe "everything" around you that you see and
experience". In other words, be a good "Observer" first.
 Sometimes
we are guilty of missing a lesson because we never slowed down enough to
understand it in the first place. I find that "they" seem to like "good
listeners"!  :wink: They enjoy people that will allow their curiosity
to take them further. To make them into "seasoned Travelers".

Volgerle-

To offer a few
possible answers to your questions: First, I would say that I agree with
Lumaza in that you should be wary of over-thinking any specific aspects
of these experiences; recognize and trust that your natural NP instinct
is operating at a higher and more finely-tuned level within these
experiences, and just go with the flow of your natural reactions. I am
still learning this- when to grab hold and when to let go; it is not
easy; but I have found that the correct and natural reaction will occur
spontaneously; so usually the answer is to let go.

It is not a
question of where the Void is, in relation to a Retrieval. The Void (and
what I have found are associated various levels of the Void, both high
and low). The Void can be above or below or even off to the side...it is
just...available. A 3 dimensional, spatial reference really does not
matter here, you can choose to make it a part of your perspective or
not; it is your choice. If it seems to be in the way at some point, then
simply dismiss it and move to where you 'intend'. So 'moving upward to
take on a retrieval' seems entirely reasonable to me...take the
retrieval from whatever direction it appears.

In the same way,
you do not have to go first to your 'happy place' in F27, then the Park
or Reception Center...this is just a structured modality that TMI offers
initially...you are free to change it as you wish and just 'go with the
flow' of where you initially emerge within the NP or where you may be
taken/pushed. Within a few retrievals, it soon becomes apparent that you
need to be very receptive and responsive to whatever environment you
find yourself within. Personally, I prefer some structure and context of
the situation I am moving through and into, but it has become apparent
that this is too easy an idea, too simplistic and even lazy...we get
continually challenged with new and changing circumstances to each
adventure.

You mentioned the idea of "skilled projectors being
able to 'hold it' for long periods of time". I thought the same thing
and doubted my own abilities until I spent some time at TMI. It's not as
hard as you think and during certain sessions at TMI they encourage you
to take notes or otherwise momentarily disrupt your session. Sometimes
this happens naturally, with having to adjust your physical comfort or
the headphones; sometimes the Hemi-Sync directions change and you feel
like you are behind and have to catch up with where you should be. Some
of this may actually be designed into the system in order to teach us
that we are, in actuality, moving our frequency up all by ourselves. We
are eventually taught to become less dependent on the Hemi-Sync. You can
re-adjust your position or take a quick note, or move rapidly through
the Focus levels if you need to catch up. You can multi-task...it only
briefly disrupts your focus. You panic a bit, at first, but then you
realize.

EV

TMI/Lifeline-

Up until the final
three days this course at TMI had felt like a frustrating bust- No
sleep and nothing but purple color tours with very little visuals to
claim any reference to. I had gotten almost nothing the other 18 class
members were sharing; nearly everybody was reporting positive results.
On some level, I did realize that something personal, something special
to me was occurring...an energetic, maybe spiritual change...maybe it
was just my hopeful imagination...I was very tired and very despondent.

But
even within this frustration, I had to admit that I had still received
more than glimpses of F27 and the Reception Center, the Park and the
Healing and Rejuvenation Center (the Hospital). It wasn't as much as I
had hoped for, but it was something substantial enough that I could
pursue, that I might validate to my satisfaction.

Day Four put me
into F27 and I felt that I actually entered the HR Center and asked for
healing for myself. I experienced an old dream of healing that I had
originally rejected and this time, with a clearer understanding, I
allowed it to complete: the 'veggie-chopper'.

Day Five, I did my first retrieval, the one with the soldier.

Day
Six, the final day, I did three sessions, the first was a re-visit to
the Healing Center where I underwent another 'blending' kind of healing
process, similar to the veggie chopper. During this session, I also
received the idea that F23 also includes areas known as Purgatory and
what I have come to understand as as the Badlands. Maybe 'post-Hell
areas'?

The next session I tried to contact a friend who had
passed six years ago (just to check on her) but was again unsuccessful;
but came away with the feeling that she was okay. I then went into the
retrieval of the woman who had been buried while still aware (last
retrieval posted in this thread).

The final afternoon session
turned out to be my most complex situation of the week. Most TMI
sessions are around 45 minutes, maybe as short as thirty or as long as
an hour, it varies...and as a participant, you can't really tell. I went
to my 'resort' in F27, then flew over to the Park and once given
permission to descend for a retrieval, I did.

I materialized
1500 feet over a desert and I 'felt' I was over the Badlands...it was an
endless desert and way down below me was what I guess a Bedouin man
wandering lost in the desert. I floated down near him and he barely took
notice of me as he struggled along. I floated a few inches above the
sand and paced along with him. I finally said hello and he acknowledged
me almost begrudgingly. I asked, are you doing okay? And he said, yes, I
am managing...

I offered my help and he refused. I asked why?
And he said because I don't know if you are a devil or an angel. I
thought about my appearance and just how I was presenting myself; I
think I made an intention to 'brighten' myself but that was all; I did
not want to misrepresent myself. I said to him that I am a person just
like you but I am here with the ability to help you. He said that makes
no sense, you are either one or the other, an angel or a devil. I said I
won't pretend to you that I am an angel, I am not...but I am also not a
devil. If I was a devil, would I just not take you now?!

He
looked at me and said if you are not a devil or an angel then you are
just a mirage and I am mad. I said that I am not a mirage and not a
devil and not an angel, but maybe a friend who can help you out of this
situation. He questioned, How do I know you are not a mirage? I said,
because I KNOW that I am not a mirage...or a devil...

He said,
How do I know you are what you say you are and not madness of my mind? I
responded, You don't know...but at some point, you will have to trust.

This
conversation went on for what seemed like the whole 45 minutes, if not
what felt like hours, honestly it felt like an incredibly long time...I
finally left him in silence and floated along with him as he wandered. I
said, You notice that I leave no footprints? He said, Yes I clearly see
that.

I poked a few questions which clearly aggravated him: How
many weeks, months or years have you been out here? (He couldn't recall
how long) Isn't it interesting that, in all this wandering, you have
never come across your own footprints? (That irritated him) When was the
last time you had a drink of water? A man couldn't go for much more
than a day out here without water, you would just die...has it been
weeks or months? (that seemed to have finally set the realization within
him).

The Hemi-Sync Return Signal had sounded, a kind of low
volume clarion/foghorn that brings about a certain recognition of place
within the environment and also signals the return instructions that
will follow; the session was coming to an end. I felt the need to
quicken the pace or I might lose this whole scenario. I started to float
away and upward from my Bedouin companion. He sensed this and implored
me, where are you going? I said that it was time for me to leave and he
needed to make a decision; I added that if he was not ready then I or
another would become available to him when he was ready. This produced a
definite response and he reached toward me and I took his hand. I said
to him, Look, it can't be any worse than where you are right now. And he
agreed. Holding his hand, we lifted off the sand and his eyes
widened...as we rose higher I could tell the Physical Reality symptoms
were leaving him: the tiredness, the hunger, the thirst...as all of
these physical issues left him, he became lighter and more free. I felt
good and in control as we moved towards F27 where I would drop him off.

But
that's not what happened. If I had indeed picked him up in F23...we
still had to move through and beyond the Belief System Territories of
F24/25/26...the BST's...not a problem for me, but what about him?

That
had not been an issue for me...until now. As we rose up from F23, I
felt a strong grip with his hand. Heading for 27, I was surprised when I
felt the loss of his grip somewhere around F24/25...he fell off and
disappeared somewhere below...

After all this effort and
expectation, I was just a little frustrated...what had happened?! The
realization did not occur to me instantly, so I re-scripted the event...
I was back in F23 hauling him back up by the hand, and I held on even
tighter, with more determination...and he still let go and fell off in
24/25...and I could not stop it...

So I did it again! I
re-scripted...held his hand, gripped it even tighter, put more
determination and Intent into it...I was gonna get this man into
F27...and as we rose higher through the frequencies...he fell off
somewhere into F24/25...I just could not stop it.

The realization finally hit ME! This man had gone to where he needed to go, not where I thought he needed to go.

I
came down to the debriefing late and sat in silence with twenty other
people describing their experiences...and in absolute wonderment...and a
certain degree of bewilderment at what I had just experienced.

Ur at TMI right now EV? Does TMI
purposefully keep you tired so you are constantly on the fringe of theta
brainwaves? What classes did you take? I definitely wanna check it out
some day.

Fantastic retrieval experience, EV.

So
my conclusion would be: It can be about helping the deceased people
climbing further up the ladder which does not mean that they necessarily
reach the top of it so fast or with one jump so to speak.

I
checked the Focus Levels again and if I am right he was then attracted
to some kind of religious BST then according to his beliefs in his past
life?

www.monroeinstituteuk.org/focus-levels/


So
you helped him move on/up anyway. Just from his own astral 'badland'
(or hell) to F24/25. He wasn't ready and able to go higher (nearer to
his original home / Source). But he might be better off now in a BST and
can move on from there 'later at another time'.

 EV, I second Volergle's comment here. "What a fantastic Retrieval experience", with such great memory recall as well!

 All
I can say is that this further validates my past comments about
"expecting the unexpected". Just when you thought you knew the
"rule's"/lay of the land", it changes.

 It looks like your
"Retrievee" needed to be "slow rolled". He wasn't quite ready to move to
the end of the process, which could also be known as his "new
beginning". That would be so cool if you were called on in the future to
help him move onto his next step. That you could retrieve him once
again. You already know him, so the "trust factor" is there.  :-)

Windwalker- No, I am not currently at
TMI. My retrieval experiences were from January 2019 at the Lifeline
course. TMI feeds you three times a day with great food and there is
plenty of time to sleep, so no, they don't force you to stay awake, lol.
My lack of sleep was purely my problem and you may be right in that my
Higher self (?) was keeping me near that Theta state or breaking down my
resistance in some way. It felt like that much of the time...or maybe I
just have a sleep disorder, lol. If you ever get the chance to go, I
highly recommend it! TMI is great people teaching great courses
resulting in transformative experiences!

Volgerle- Thank you and I
think you are right. For me, Retrieval is just about getting people
unstuck from wherever they are, which is often a confused after-death
state. As for the BST's, something about the frequencies of the various
levels resonating with different people naturally draws them to those
Focus levels. TMI advises us that this may happen during a retrieval and
to just trust that the person went to where they needed to go; it just
caught me by surprise when it happened.

Thank you Lumaza!

EV…Sounds like you had a great
experience at TMI.  I have read books with authors describing their
experiences they had at TMI and they sounded very familiar to yours such
as starting off slowly with not much happening and than what seems to
be some sort of breakthrough or transformation that takes place near the
end…Awesome!  Maybe I will read your book someday or have I already??? 
 :-)

What a beautiful experience that was
EV! You and your retrievee learned something valuable. Your recall is
fantastic and I totally agree with Volgerle. He went where he needed to
go.

I'm guessing you initially felt like you had failed but you know better now.

For some inexplicable reason I feel excited after reading your post, like maybe something just got answered for me as well.

 Last week I listened to a fantastic
Radio interview featuring a man named Father Nathan Castle. For 25 years
now he has helped over 250 people/souls that died suddenly due to
traumatic events, adjust to their current afterlife. As being a "Man of
the Cloth", he "perceives" this through the grace of God, which means
his descriptions will contain a lot of religious overtones. That didn't
bother me though, I always maintain a open mind to new teachings,
regardless of where they come from.
 After hearing that 2 hour interview on the radio, I went to look his name up on YouTube and enjoyed all of his material there.

 I perceive what I do via Retrievals in a different way then Father Nathan, but we each share the same goals though.

 Here is a link to his website. I'm sure you will find him fascinating, like I did.
 nathan-castle.com/

 For even more videos interviews by him, you can search his name on Youtube.

Interesting find. There is also a book as I found out by (very) quick search.
"Afterlife, Interrupted: Helping Stuck Souls Cross Over—A Catholic Priest Explores the Interrupted Death Experience"

You
can read his forword in the preview. Good that he says he does not want
to teach catholic doctrines or convert anyone. Interesting man indeed.
He does not seem to use AP though in a traditional way, does he? He says
they seek him out in dreams but then he also seems to converse with
them clairvoyant/audiently in waking state, as far as I see it from the
first chapter. Here it is:

www.amazon.com/dp/0692187537/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1539311567&sr=1-1#reader_0692187537

He spoke quite a bit about this book in his interviews as well.
nathan-castle.com/product/and-toto-too-the-wizard-of-oz-as-a-spiritual-adventure/

 I
sent him a email. We will see if he responds. I have some questions for
him. He not only constantly helps those in need in the "NP", he also
does it here on a daily basis in this physical realm. I was reading some
of his experiences on is website. He went to Oklahoma to aid in the
recovery of that devastating Tornado there. He also went to Joplin, MO
to aid in their Tornado devastation. He is a true "Saint" at heart!  :-)

I read through this thread with
interest. What you guys are describing and call "retrievals" we in the
shaman world call it psychopomp work - helping people cross over after
they die. What we call "soul retrievals" is bringing back lost soul
parts for people who are still alive! Thank you for these descriptions
=)

 I was curious about what you were going to say when or if you read this thread. Once again, similarities!  :-)

Yes!
I am so curious if my AP experiences will eventually tie in with my
shamanic journeys. Time will tell. Thank goodness I take such detailed
notes!

I find it a bit  :cry: that in this thread about 'human' astral soul rescue nothing has been posted for over 2 (!!) years.

Time to change that now.  :wink:

Question
to all of you experienced travellers: Has anyone in the 'meantime' had
any new retrieval situations in the astral you'd like to share? Mine
were rather missing due to an all-time AP low and physical life crises
with 'grounding' effects, although I renewed my 'vow' to go for
retrieval work next year again.

I am still writing on the book
about it (started years ago!) which is almost finished and am still
'collecting' accounts to quote in it with links to the original posts if
they are on the internet or reference to the literature.

So far I have around 45 or so accounts (including a few of mine). Quite a lot already.

Anyway, if anyone of you has sth new for me to add I'm grateful.  :wink:

Moreover,
by coincidence (or not?) yesterday I came across this talk between
Juergen Ziewe and an experienced astral retrieval worker named Mike
Marable which I found interesting.




 

Not anyone :?

Seems this forum is all about the hype on ETs these days but not for helping former fellow humans?

Not that I love the ET topic too. I do and had my experiences with them (astrally).

Just
thought that s.o. of the experienced and still continuously projecting
members (unlike me) had a kind of helping experience with stuck humans
'in the meantime'?

Seems the 'dead' retrieval topic is really 'dead' now, quite literally.  :wink:

I think there has been a shift, whether
on the astral level or in perceptions I can't say. I have not felt
called to a retrieval in quite some time. My work now is more personally
focused. I can't speak for others but I personally feel the retrieval
work is done.

I've had many vivid dreams with on and
off awareness in the past few months that involve helping on a mass
level. I often have others with me that team up to help the mass
consciousness. Before it was more helping individuals that are stuck
during APs, but now it has shifted, at least for me. During APs I take
control of my experiences and usually I explore based on personal
desires. At times I get redirected by some unknown force during APs to
help, but that hasn't happened in a while.

Very interesting. Yeah, Possibly it's
really a shift that happened. It could well be that we are not called
upon this activity with individuals at the moment anymore as often as it
used to be.

Thanks you for the feedback, Nameless and Lightbeam.

A kind of 'sequential' retrieval from 2 days ago with a guide appearing (at first) ...

Saving A Girl From Being Bullied At A Railway Station

After
exit with some struggle I stood before a door as expected and waited
instead of going through myself (which was the initial plan to use a
door portal to meet my Retrieval Team from the other side).
I did not
have to wait a long time though. A tall young lady appeared. She had
blonde hair and was at least two heads taller than me it seemed. She
introduced herself as being from a Nordic (Scandinavian) country. When I
asked her name she somehow denied the answer or did not react to it.
Instead
she said we have not much time, only 15 minutes or so or that she is
only available in 15 minutes for a longer talk with me.
Anyhow, so
she explains to me almost in passing that we have to go first to the
railway station because that is where the children often are who need
help. This first confuses me because I cannot understand why children
might die at railway stations so often (remembering my retrieval with
the drowned kids at the seaside or lake which made more sense to me
since little kids drowning happens more often than kids being run over
by a train at a station).
Of course, so I join her on her quest and
strangely we do not arrive at a kind of railway station first but
somehow in the staircase area of a multi-storey highrise building as it
seems.
She does not use the stairs or an elevator though, but kind of
signals me to do the same as she does: Jump over the banister down
below and then in free fall grab a banister again below when you have
passed 2 or 3 levels. And then repeat it downwards until you reach the
ground level. That seems the fastest method to go down indeed.
I am
not shocked at all since I am ‚trained‘ to do similar things from dream
simulations. So we both jump down Tarzan or Kamikaze style and grab some
banisters in between stopping, hanging for a while and then letting to
in free fall going lower again. There are many levels indeed.
I
asssume that there is a kind of metro / subway / ‚Tube‘ station in the
basement of this skyscraper building when we reach our destination, the
ground. However, before we reach our target down below I feel my vision
is going away and I fade out. I still have time to say sorry to the
guide lady but then I am out fast.

Later (Part 2 of the retrieval
event if you will) I have dreams about the metro (‚Tube‘) in London and
at one point get lucid again while I am really in a kind of subway or
railway station.
I instantly remember my mission and look out for a child not wasting any time.
I
see a little girl crouched on the floor against a wall and she is being
bullied by a bigger male kid (or more, not remembered) with something
being thrown at or held against her (don‘t know what it was).
I chase the ‚bad‘ kid(s) away easily and take her by the hand and together we go to the next station platform.
I
remember my mission of doing some kind of handover but I see no ‚guide‘
or light source or whatever. On the station platform a train enters and
we look at it and she remarks how beautiful it is.
I grab the little
girl to lift her up and then enter the train carrying her, hoping to
find the guide (maybe the tall Nordic lady again) inside to take the kid
further ‚up‘ (the train probably leading to Focus 27?).
This does
not happen however while the train starts to move out of the station. I
look at her and suddenly ‚she‘ is no longer there but I kind of hold an
empty transparent shade of her in my left arm like a kid sized plastic
puppet.
Then again the projection / dream ends and I fade out of the scene quite disappointed again.

My analysis:

There is a lot of metaphor in this which is interesting in both parts of the event. In detail:
The
guide was very ‚tall‘ and I was told already years ago in forums that
in dreams or projections guides often appear this way if they appear as
humans, sometimes they are a head or more taller than you. I found this
information to be correct in many of my own dreams or projections since
then.
Another hint is when she said she is ‚Nordic‘ and the North
might also indicate her higher origin from ‚up there‘ (maybe from the
F27 Reception Centre area?).
She was also quite business-minded
getting down to action immediately not wasting any ‚time‘ (I assume she
was knowing that ‚my‘ - not her – time is limited for this kind of
activity before I fade out). I believe that the retriever guides are
this way, always focussed on their job and to get it done with our
without our help. The retrievee comes first, not the retriever helper!
Our
way jumping ‚down‘ in that high building's staircase to the station
also signifies the astral levels. Maybe we really started at the
‚reception centre‘ area in Focus 27 (although I am not sure where I
started but it was a lighted and thus 'higher' place) only to then
descend to the Focus 23 or 22 area to fetch a child from ‚down‘ there.
The
railway station that confused me first might actually signify a place
(or state of being) to be retrieved from indeed. You often first have to
wait for the train to take you elsewhere (probably better), there‘s
lots of travellers in waiting areas at stations.
The child(ren)
themselves might still be caught in their own imagination or F2
dreamscape and not even take notice of the station, just like the
harassed child was. Maybe that was the trauma it suffered most from in
its short life life or was it even the cause of its death?
The train
we entered was then maybe the ‚portal‘ going moving her ‚up‘ again to
Focus 27. When I made her aware of it she then 'saw' it and commented
how beautiful it was. That was maybe the decisive moment already:
Noticing the 'portal', the transport system or even a guide?
The
empty shade I held after boarding the train was maybe a sign that she
then already had moved onwards and hopefully upwards. So already showing
her the train or entering it with her did the trick.
Maybe it was a success after all?

 Volgerle, I have to thank you for not
only your sharing here, but the desire you have to make retrievals a
part of your life. You don't always have to be consciously aware to have
retrievals. Once you choose that path, it becomes a part of you.

 In
the video link below, Kurt Leland talks about Annie Bessant and the
name she gave for those that wish to help in NPRs. She called them
"Invisible helpers". Once you choose that path and are also "accepted
into it", you find that it becomes a part of who you are. In Kurt's
Leland, he further breaks down the "characteristics" and the "purpose"
of those that choose this path.


 I
have not posted in this thread for a while now. A few days ago I was
perusing our Forum here and the Souly for Retrieval thread caught my
eye. I have to apologize Volgerle, I didn't see your post above with the
video link to the conversation between Jurgen Ziewe and Mike Marable.
Since I have seen that, I have written a personal email to Mike. I hope
he responds. I had a few questions that I think he could clear up for
me. I especially enjoyed Mike's talk about the "lights" and that the
lights/orbs act as "portals". Many times, I follow the light or orb to
get "there". But rarely are they used to complete a task and set the
Retrievee free, so they can move onto their next path. In my Retrievals,
I can utilize any form or can create any atmosphere, simulation or
scenario that is necessary to accomplish whatever has to be done. I just
can't decide or force the Retrievee's decision to move on. During the
Retrievals, it is normally their nightmares and torment that I am in
though. That is why we find so many of these experiences in dark and
dreary environments. The only happiness in them is when the person
finally decides to moves on. That moment is filled with elation!  :-)

 Your
recent experience for some reason seems really similar to a experience I
had last night. After seeing your post with the video link into it, you
renewed my passion for having "conscious Retrievals" again. I know I
never stopped. I even found a way to further the Invisible Helper
concept. I do it here in the physical as well. My Art is based on it.
Every Crystal Amplifier I create, (a Crystal Amplifier being my wire
wrap tree designs), I focus on the intent to amplify the owner's
positive thoughts, wishes and desires. The trees are twisted copper
(conductor). I then mount the roots onto a Quartz Crystal cluster
(energy source), then onto a piece of driftwood, all awhile focusing on
my intent.

 Anyways, back to your experience above and how it
kind of helped me to understand the weirdness of my own experience. My
experience involved children as well. After it though, there were things
that didn't make any sense. As it is, that didn't matter now. It did
when I was "living" it though and that is all that's important.

 Long
story short. My experience involved some kind of accident that left a
vehicle submerged in the dirt. Underground is kind of akin to the
"subway", tube or train station you spoke of. The vessel I was helping
the kids out of may have been a train itself. When I cleared the dirt, I
saw that the seats had collapsed onto each other. Now here is the part
that did not make sense. The seating was stacked, and I had to remove a
layer of the seating before I could save a child. "Layers" seem to be a
familiar feel while in a Retrieval experience.
 I saved the first
child, he had a bit of blood on him, then I began removing the layers of
steel that were between the next child. Each time I removed a layer, I
saw the child there was in worse condition then the last one. Pretty
soon, it seemed like I was now rolling the stuck metal out of the
damaged vehicle, just like one would with rolling a hospital bed. It
seemed like a "gurney"/stretcher of sorts.  I continued until I either
completed the task or lost conscious awareness while doing it. I am a
bit foggy on the ending though.

 On another note. I have to
apologize for not continually posting here in this thread. Since I have
chosen the path of being a "Invisible Helper", I experience a number of
retrievals, in all different shapes and forms. I don't want to post here
about them every day. I feel that continually posting my retrieval
experiences to be like bragging. That's the way I feel. I know others
don't agree with that. But I also see and feel the frustration over the
years here on people that have wanted to learn how to and experience
Retrievals, yet for some reason have been kind of blocked from learning
it. It showed in a lot of Ginny's threads here on Retrievals when she
posted about her own experiences. She was really adept with Retrievals.
 It just goes to further the problems that were recently spoke about in a
thread on the Pulse and that is "experience envy". It really is a
thing. I have had many PMs from members here over the years where they
shared their frustrations.

A very interesting retrieval Volgerle!
Thank you for sharing this at such a necessary time; we all could use a
reminder of the truly helpful work that is always open to us.

I think your recollection and interpretation is probably 100% correct. I would like to add a few ideas.

There
are, indeed, many times, SO much metaphor is involved and I wonder that
it is not just our individual way of interpreting the energies at work
in the moment, but also metaphorical forms our guides may utilize in
order to acclimate us to the situation of the person being
retrieved...as well as the probable metaphorical energy and situation of
the retrievee herself (in this case). This is all energy, after all;
energy structures that are widely variable, it seems. So, is part of the
magic that a guide brings to the event the ability to match the
metaphorical cognitive ability of a certain retriever...to the natural
metaphorical tendency and situation of the retrievee...in other words,
matching the receiver to the sender? Projectors such as ourselves are
brought into retrievals because we carry an energy marker that only
still existant beings carry, and that apparently is enough to catch the
attention of those somewhat recently deceased and still too closely
focused on the Physical Realm. Otherwise, the guides wouldn't need us;
they would just perform the retrieval themselves. But also, it might be a
good training ground for us, as well. So, the reasons we are brought in
likely vary.

The metaphor of the underground subway or train
station is fairly common for the more experienced. It is the natural
departure point to other areas of the Non-Physical. Kurt Leland
describes it often in his books and I have read of it in many others'
narratives. In my own experiences, I've not so much gotten the subway
but often find myself on a bus or train, going somewhere. Eventually the
idea sank in and has become a lucid trigger for me. The fact that you
found the girl in a sort of subway station tells me she was likely
recently deceased and at the point of departure, but somehow menaced and
bullied by some kind of private, personal hell. Your appearance with
your PR energy marker was enough for her to instantly clear her
confusion and recognize the reality of the transit system right in front
of her and to move on. It can happen that quickly and cleanly.

The
descent through the levels and the guide suggesting you grab a
bannister every few floors struck me as very interesting. Whether it was
from F27 down to F22 in Monroe-speak, we can quibble about; I think the
retrieval was likely in F23...but the descent required you to move down
in terms of frequency and I think the guide was warning you that it
would be a strain on your maintaining awareness. Therefore, the idea in a
very metaphorical sense, was to visualize it as descending floors in a
building and reaching out to grab hold of a bannister and pause for a
few moments to re-establish your awareness as you moved downward. This
is similar to the idea of maintaining awareness in a RTZ OBE by grabbing
hold of something physical to steady yourself; in the astral, it is
more directly about taking a moment to readjust/stabilize to the new
frequency. My question is: Why wouldn't a guide just tell you this in a
straightforward manner, why cloak it in such metaphor? Many of us have
had these moments. My guess is that it is all part of the teaching and
learning...learning in unusual and unforgettable ways...and maybe a
little fun for our guides thrown in. lol

So, it appears that your
awareness did fade out, maybe due to the rapid descent...so you learn
the hard way what the guide was warning about...maybe it was meant to
happen that way...so, later in the night, you get another crack at the
situation when your consciousness is better situated, and you complete
the mission successfully...Nicely done! What a cool experience!

I would welcome you posting here some of your retrieval experiences again.
I
understand, yes, there is 'frustration' if one has not the same (amount
of) experiences, especially for beginner projectors. I was often
frustrated myself, especially when I had months of dryness. I still do
and I am even now not 'out' very often to do something of value. So this
is why I was happy about this recent projection.
However, I would
not call this frustration 'envy', it's a bit of a hard word for this.
This would almost literally mean to 'begrudge' somebody these
experiences. I do not believe that people here do this. At least not in
my case. Actually, I often feel inspired and motivated by other accounts
(retrievals or not).
Moreover, as you might already well know - and
I posted it here and on PMs too - I am ... still ... (LOL) writing a
book on Retrievals which will be an ebook available on Amazon &
other outlets via a self-publisher but I might make it available for
free. It will be very 'comprehensive' and touch many aspects and sub-
and super-topics and also projection techniques for people who have no
experience with AP at all. Also lots of literature references and quotes
of course (I have a bit of an academic background so I cannot do
without this, lol).
Also therefore, as you might see, I love
collecting old and 'fresh' authentic retrieval accounts to include them
in part or full with quotes and links to the original post on blogs,
websites or forums (or reference the literature if it's from books).
It's something similar I did years ago with the 'validations' - see my
signature below, just in book form.
Now so far, I have already found
over 40 retrieval accounts from different sources including here, plus
adding my own. So as you can see, I have another 'selfish' motive why
I'd be very happy if you posted further examples here in this thread
(and everyone else here of course!).
:-)

Thanks, EV, for your great feedback, always appreciated.

Love the idea with the stabilizing onto each level/frequency. That makes a lot of sense.
I also remember the train station metaphor from one of Leeland's books indeed.

I will go on posting my next retrievals here since I feel there is more 'in store' now. Well, at least I hope so.